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War on principles

I don’t oppose all wars… What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war… A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
Speech by Sen. Barack Obama, delivered on 26 October 2002 at an anti-war rally in Chicago

I’m often asked in person and through feedback on the citizen journalism website I edit, Groundviews , whether I am against war. By this most of my interlocutors implicitly wish to ascertain whether I am opposed to the war waged by Mahinda Rajapakse’s administration against the Liberation of Tamil Tigers Eelam (LTTE). Many have their minds already made up that I am a (Sinhala Buddhist) disbeliever in the government’s sincerity to wipe out terrorism from Sri Lanka. This is not kosher particularly in the South of Sri Lanka today.

Partly because of the increasing hate I face online and in person, I have asked myself a simple question – am I wrong in opposing this government? Could it be that what this administration is doing is what is really needed to crush terrorism? How is it the fact that my own family fervently believes that this war can be won, the LTTE defeated and faith in our democracy restored, and I don’t? Could they be right, along with millions of Sinhalese who seem convinced that a military solution is possible and have lost faith in peace negotiations with an armed LTTE.

The question whether I am against war is easy to answer. I am not. As a student of conflict resolution, it is untenable to be opposed to all wars at all times. History is rich in its record of bloody wars waged against injustice, oppression and slavery. I am not a pacifist, though I am deeply partial to non-violent and civil social and political intercourse. I believe wars need to be fought, but they must be fought for and judged by a higher set of principles that shape the actions and sense of purpose of those engaged in it. Therefore, I am vehemently opposed to two wars in Sri Lanka. One, a war I was born into, begun by the LTTE and in turn the out-growth of decades of myopic majoritarian legislation on, among others, language, education and public service. The other a war of attrition conducted against the LTTE by the Rajapakse administration. Both are a mirror image of each other. Both are based on a viciously exclusive, single-minded pursuit of an absolute goal that is all consuming, demanding unquestioned obsequiousness and trucks no dissent whatsoever. I believe that a war fought thus can never be just, or end in a just peace. But I find it a real challenge to be principally opposed to this war and say as much when I am asked the question as to whether I am a patriot or a terrorist, whether I am with the regime or against it.

Nobody really listens, or wants to.

The excesses of the LTTE are legion. However, our arrant disgust of the LTTE is matched and even exceeded by the outrageous behaviour of a government that fully embodies, quite unashamedly and without the slightest sense of irony, the very terrorism it seeks to eradicate. From a President with a marked disdain for constitutional governance (or recalling how Gore Vidal referred to Bush at the recent Galle Literary Festival, he may well be our local dumbo) to the execrable characters related or close to him in his government with a penchant for wanton violence with complete impunity, there is no conceivable way in which this administration can convince me that they hold the key to peace and democracy in Sri Lanka. They are to me as retarded as the LTTE, which is disturbing in that this is after all, a government elected by peoples of Sri Lanka to engender peace, now behaving in the same manner as a terrorist organisation banned in many countries globally. It certainly isn’t Prabhakaran’s sole prerogative any more to call up Editors of newspapers with death threats, beat up journalists, censor the media, abduct, torture and murder civilians, aid and abet the recruitment of children as soldiers and vindictively seek to silence voices of dissent.

So there’s the problem.

This war of attrition by the State and the LTTE against each other is a Sisyphean attempt to secure social and political justice through military means. As genuinely frightening (and dangerous) a prospect it is today, we must oppose this senseless war and the actions of those who perpetuate it for their own benefit. But that’s easier said than done. As I’ve discovered through responses to my own writing, censure one party and the others become your best friends. Censure the other and they scream blue murder for only castigating them. Write on principle against the war writ large and you become ripe pickings for everyone with a vested interest in its perpetuation. National security arguments arbitrarily brought in to protect the significant corruption of government and vilify those who seek to expose it, deportations of foreign nationals branded as undermining our sovereignty, public ridicule and hate campaigns against investigative media tatter our already worn-out fabric of democracy. The point of a principled opposition to this war is simply because it has gone beyond that point of no return when nepotism, corruption and individual agendas in pursuit of absolute power have taken over whatever it is that the war was supposed to be about. It is a war that will not bring peace or democracy to Sri Lanka and because we cannot even question its raison d’être, it is a war that really has no end, for we have become what we are fighting against and to question that is to really look at ourselves and what we have become. The truth is ugly.

These are matters of irrefutable scholastic record. They do not, however, figure in the public imagination. The results of the Peace Confidence Index poll conducted by the Centre for Policy Alternatives in November 2007 clearly indicate millions of voters blissfully ignorant of the significant corruption, gross economic mismanagement and general decay of the Rajapakse regime. For them, the military is winning, our Army are heroes sacrificing their lives for our tomorrows, Rajapakse and Gotabaya are our saviours, Prabharakan is a schmuck, the International Community can go to hell, UN Under-Secretary Generals are in the pay of the LTTE, we Sinhalese, speaking Sinhalese, can manage our own affairs thank you very much and the rest can just put up or shut up.

With all traditional media under unprecedented attack in Sri Lanka, it’s also highly unlikely that the public will ever come to grips with any alternative perspectives and ideas in support of democratic, reconciliation, sustainable development oriented alternatives and ideas.

Deeply resonant of the timbre of war cries in Sri Lanka today, Obama in 2002 spoke of “weekend warriors” in the US Administration who “shoved their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.” This was not, to put it lightly, a popular position for a Black Senator to take in 2002, when the Bush administration’s war cries were at their zenith and its war machinery primed for action against an imagined enemy. It was, however, a principled and a courageous position – morally as well as politically. Sadly though, we have no equivalent of an Obama in any of our political parties today. We possibly never did. Even more depressingly, a civil society in Colombo commandeered by the vicious parochialism of a few and at war with itself offers little hope of any meaningful, principled alternatives to this war.

In all his Heroes Day speeches, Prabhakaran is blind to the fact that he is solely responsible for significantly enervating and viciously destroying a progressive, constructive Tamil nationalism even in the face of an apathetic State. As a columnist on Groundviews noted recently , “ … the LTTE’s own unreconstructed behaviour brought about ridicule on, as well as apprehensions about, the entire Tamil nationalist project.” In his Presidential Election manifesto in 2005 , Mahinda Rajapakse claims he will “respect all ethnic and religious identities, refrain from using force against anyone and build a new society that protects individuals and social freedoms”. However, the sordid record of his actions over the past two years is an incredible and indubitable record of his hypocrisy.

A war conducted by either of these two charlatans is by definition unprincipled.

It is a war doomed to fail.

A version of this article appears in the Daily Mirror of 13th February 2008.


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sittingnut said,

February 13, 2008 @ 6:57 am

your arguments that attempt to defeat ltte terrorism ( which you call “war” ) is unprincipled do not stand up.

let us examine your arguments
you say
“I believe wars need to be fought, but they must be fought for and judged by a higher set of principles that shape the actions and sense of purpose of those engaged in it.” though you do not spell the principles out ,wars that need to be fought presumably include “wars waged against injustice, oppression and slavery” and for “peace and democracy ”

now in order to judge the war against ltte you have to first answer whether a war against ltte is not in fact a war against “injustice, oppression and slavery” and for “peace and democracy ” . you avoid this

instead after forgetting that fundamental question, you focus on possible motives of the current administration for conducting war and “the outrageous behaviour” of the government in the conduct of the war

if you are not a pacifist “opposed to all wars at all times” as you claim, you have to clearly state whether ltte clearly constitute a target against which a principled war can be fought before moving on to motives of specifoc actors talking part on that war and means used in that war. you dont

why this avoidance? ( or should we say why this intellectual dishonesty ? )

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in order not to follow your mistake i will say i believe ltte does constitute such a target.

ltte’s crimes and oppressions cannot be justified in any way. your statement that ltte’s violence was “the out-growth of decades of myopic majoritarian legislation on, among others, language, education and public service.” is not objective but a repetition of racist ltte propaganda seeking justification for its crimes and oppression . political grievances, racial discriminations, inter racial violence etc are all real but do not necessarily result in terrorism, not should anyone with principles justify or give credence to such excuses used to justify terrorism of ltte. same goes to ltte claim to represent tamils of north and east provinces

only principled way to resolve political grievances is through democratic means, even if you do not get want you want in political give and take between various interest groups that constitute a democracy. the course ltte claims to have taken is not more valid than stealing is a valid recourse to those in poverty.

so ltte’s crimes and oppressions cannot be justified and ltte constitute a target of a principled war ( though imo use of violence against it is not dissimilar to use of violence against violent criminals to bring them to justice different only with regard to the extend of the crimes and power of the group )

given all that it is clear that sri lankan government has to fight ltte if it is to respect principles of justice , human rights, freedom and democracy .

that is why fight against ltte is not just a question of patriotism ( as you imply,) but of upholding principles. i for one( among others ) has not appealed to patriotism when advocating defeat of ltte. (though there is nothing wrong with appealing to patriotism)

since you do not answer this fundamental question your argument lack credibility

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“we cannot even question its raison d’être”
why not? what do you think is the “raison d’être”? .

is it “nepotism, corruption and individual agendas in pursuit of absolute power” ? that is a completely subjective statement and you and others have a perfect right to say it . but other have a perfect right to protest against that and point out the possible selfish motives of ppl making it including counter accusations of corruption ( including corruption at behest of terrorists)
unless you are more specific and can substantiate them your argument fails

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you after not answering the most basic of question move on to the motives of administration conducting the war

i agree that present administration probably has self serving interests in addition to interest of sri lankans in general in conducting the war. but that is to be expected in any realistic political situation. however that does not take away from the fact that it is following the principled course of action when it is trying to defeat the ltte.

not trying to defeat ltte on the other hand would be unprincipled ( and an administration doing that would also have self serving interests )
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you think “national security arguments” is used “protect the significant corruption of government and vilify those who seek to expose it,” etc etc. that may or may not be true ( i don’t think so ) but “national security arguments” are still valid regardless. to say they are not valid at all circumstances does not hold water given the daily experiences of terror we sri lankans go through at ltte’s hands. you have to argue for their invalidity and abuse of theses arguments one by one in each specific case.

generalizations as you do here betray superficiality or a deliberate nonrecognition complexity of the issue on your part

so your objections to war because administration may have mixed motives is very weak. they are following the principled path( whatever some of their speculated motives are)

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you object to means used to fight the war, equalizing them to methods of ltte terrorists. it takes a certain kind of blinkered mindset to equalize legitimate use of violence in war against terrorists with deliberate targeting of innocents tactics used by terrorists .

in spite of repeated requests you and your fellow travelers have been unable to provide substantiated evidence that sl military has exceeded law as a policy, and that in cases where individual members have allegedly exceeded law it has not submitted to course of law .

and if you unjustifiably slander ppl without evidence you will face hostility in return. ( since such hostility is expressed within law your attept at victimhood is overdone)

so as long as you are unable to prove your objections to means used to conduct the war, your abjections become worthless


to conclude, your judgment that war against ltte is unprincipled cannot be sustained because,
you avoid the question whether ltte should be the target of a principled war
your objections to some speculated self interested motives of administration, does not invalidate principled motives for conducting war
your objections to mean used in conducting war need to be substantiated and you have failed to do that

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this war is principled because terrorist group ltte is incompatible with principles of democracy , human rights, freedom, and justice, government is duty bound to defeat ltte ( regardless of any other motives it may or may not have ), and as long as the war is conducted using legitimate methods

Aliya said,

February 13, 2008 @ 8:07 am

Well-done Sanjana! Brilliantly said! But do you think this is a time for plain speaking?
I personally don’t think that the masses believe in this war- any war for that matter. They are just clinging to the seemingly last straw of hope. Those with fading hope.
However, it’s a pity to see that no effort is made to bring an alternative. Most preach but do not practice. With all their comments and criticisms, they like the existing system.
Actually this war is not only MR’ and his brothers’. There are many others who like ‘never ending war’- consultants, advisers, ‘peace activists’…. You know who they are. They only know how to maximize their personal gains by whatever means and openly declare “There’s no hope, only despair!” They can’t see that they are the roots of despair.
Is there anyone who’s genuinly ready to make a revolution?

mixedethnicchild said,

February 13, 2008 @ 8:33 am

i read this article in the daily mirror today, it is absolutely brilliant. thank you.

nandasena said,

February 13, 2008 @ 9:07 am

Regarding Sittingnut’s comment, all the accusations heaped on Pirapaharan is applicable to successive Sinhalese governments from the mid 1950s!! More so now with government sponsored armed gangs roaming the streets all over the island and committing all kinds of crimes.

I would say that Mahinda Rajapakse does not represent all Sri Lankans!! He only got 52% or close to that of the votes(I am not sure of the percentage. I will not rule out irregularities during the election process either). So you cannot say that Pirapaharan does not represent Tamils!!

As for banning Pirapaharan by other countries, Sri Lankan government should have been banned long ago, by the same yard stick!! Sri Lanka is a “democracy” in name only!! Whenever International community tries to bring sanctions against Sri Lanka, there are other “rougue” states to back Sri Lanka. This is on a priciple of “I scratch your back, you scratch my back”

The money Sri Lanka has spent on this war for the last 3 decades, could have been spent to “win the hearts and minds of the Tamils”. This way all Sri Lankans could have had a better life, instead of death and destruction. The problem is there are people who are benefitting by this war. Their bank balance is growing, while children from poor families are dying in the battlefield without a proper funeral and without their parents even knowing!!

Even now it is not too late. Hope better sense will prevail.

T said,

February 13, 2008 @ 9:18 am

excellent article, brilliantly put. i couldn’t agree with you more.

(i wonder if sittingnut ever tires of his own voice)

venkai said,

February 13, 2008 @ 10:09 am

I am curious to know when is sittingnut going to join the patriots at the war front, if he/she is not already there?

N. Ethirveerasingam said,

February 13, 2008 @ 1:50 pm

Sanjana,
I am sure you have studied the ISGA. The Preamble details the reason why Tamils took up to arms. I say Tamils because a substantial majority of the Tamils supported one armed group or another. The ISGA is an extrapolation of the Thimbu Principles. Whether the Sinhala majority or the moderates like what is in the document or not is immaterial to the positions the Tamils were forced to take.

War is horible. Geneva Protocols I and II, Ottawa Treaty on Mines and other UN documents govern the prosecution of wars. But which country is the Security Council follows them. Which of the state in this world was born or defined its borders without a war? If you know of any, please let me know so that we can study it and recommend to Pirapaharan how to go about establishing Tamil Eelam without a war. It does not take an astrologer to predict that the war will go on for at least till the life of the Rajapakse government. It is best to find ways and means to ensure that no innocent civilians are hurt. Or we can lobby the UN to blockade all arms shipment by air or sea to the whole Island. But then the protagonists, after sometime will resort to swords and shields, arches and arrows, and then to sticks and stones. Just imagine, no arms dealers to clog up the tourist hotels.

Roshan said,

February 13, 2008 @ 2:58 pm

You said,

It certainly isn’t Prabhakaran’s sole prerogative any more to call up Editors of newspapers with death threats, beat up journalists, censor the media, abduct, torture and murder civilians, aid and abet the recruitment of children as soldiers and vindictively seek to silence voices of dissent.

What I love most about you post is the above para. You rightly points out one is the mirror image of the other. That is absolutely right.

We see small weaknesses of others but fail to see gross violations by us. We and them is the game we play. We are good and they are bad. So what ever we do we do with good intentions (even the bad acts) and what ever they do they do with bad intentions (even good acts). So the game goes.

We never had national leaders but had leaders who could command only one side of the fence.

That is why divided to this date.

sittingnut said,

February 13, 2008 @ 5:59 pm

aliya:
it is indeed time for plain speaking. this post doesn’t, by not answering whether ltte constitute a target for principled war; most basic of questions dealing with the subject here.

nandasena:
you should not justify the indefensible .
nothing justifies ltte crimes against innocents ( no grievances, no discrimination , no ‘83, nothing ) . your repetition of unsubstantiated allegations against “sinhalese”governments ” does not contribute to the debate even if they are true.
what is relevant to subject of this post and thread is that ltte commits unjustifiable crimes , and as such war against them is principled ( in fact duty of any government that respects democracy , justice, human rights and freedom )

your other arguments are similarly irrelevant and betray your bias . but i will address them briefly.

that current administrations vote percentage does not have much to do with its representativeness of sri lanka .by such loopy logic as yours no democratic government is representative. gosl does represent sl according to democratic principles as other democratic governments represent their public. on the other hand ltte should not be allowed it claim to represent tamils bc only thing backing that claim is murder and violence. that oppressive claim alone is against principles of democracy and should be a cause for principled war

“Sri Lankan government should have been banned… ”
international community wont sanction (word “ban” is irrelevant here since they cannot ban sl ) sri lanka, bc unlike you they know what principles of democracy and justice are . they recognize the legitimacy of gosl, approves the motives behind the war and they do not have any proof that gosl has committed any of the things that ltte propaganda accuses it of. fanally they knwo where their interests lie so dream on ( as i said year ago in this blog when others claimed that sanctions are eminent . they are still dreaming i suppose )

“The money Sri Lanka has spent on this war for the last 3 decades, could have been spent to “win the hearts and minds of the Tamils””
are you saying hearts and minds of tamil are with ltte ? yours seem to be . :-) this is another manifestation of your racist claim that tamils are fighting this war not some criminals . and that tamils support terrorism and justify them. fact of the matter is best way to win hearts and mind of tamils in the long term to defeat the ltte terrorist holding them in oppression. then wee will know through democratic means what can be done to satisfy them ( though that does not guarantee they will be satisfied any more than any other interest group on any democracy )

war could have been conducted better in earlier times ( thank god it is now been conducted better ) but that does not mean war was unprincipled

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t:
“wonder if sittingnut ever tires of his own voice”
i believe in free exchange of ideas and consider it part of a free open society .
that is why i reply to even nandasena however muddled his arguments are

i certainly do not get tired my arguments and ideas, if they are opposed by closed minds like yours displayed by that immature comment. in contrast even nandasena made an effort to contribute.
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venkai
“I am curious to know when is sittingnut going to join the patriots at the war front, if he/she is not already there?”
if you read me, you will notice that i never appeal to patriotism when making the case for defeating ltte. i make that case on principles of democracy, justice , human rights, and freedom. ( as well as pragmatism ) . however i have no objection to appeals to patriotism.

anyway your argument that an advocate must act on what he advocates to be credible is a false argument. (that is why i will not ask those making case for peace with ltte to go live under ltte without access to democracy, justice , human rights, or freedom) .

are you saying that my arguments will be valid if i am in the military ?or were made by a person in the military?( in fact ppl in the military have made similar arguments for defeating terrorists) )

2+2 = 4 regardless of whether my favorite number is 4 and yours is 3. if you think 2+2=3 prove it mathematically.

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my arguments here are, that war against ltte is a principled defense of democracy , justice ,human rights, and freedom .

and that this post
1/ by avoiding the question whether ltte should be the target of a principled war,
2/ by not recognizing that objections to some speculated self interested motives of administration does not invalidate principled motives for conducting war,
and 3/ by not recognizing that any objections ( mostly unsubstantiated) to means used for conducting war does not invalidate principled motives for conducting war,

has not made the case it sets out to do . that war is unprincipled.

if you think otherwise make your case using relevant arguments and logic.

V said,

February 13, 2008 @ 10:48 pm

You hit the nail on the head my friend.

And with your reference to Obama, its good to remind ourselves that prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the ‘crime’ of a black cohabiting with a white was punishable by a year in prison; marriages between blacks and whites were null and void; no business could serve black people and white people in the same public space! These were actual LAWS in the state legislation (the so-called Jim Crow laws). And less than 50 years later, the U.S. is already considering (very seriously going by his current momentum) electing a black President.

Sri Lanka, guilty though we are of prejudice against the Tamil population, never had such diabolically racist legislation. And yet can we even dream of electing a Tamil president? It would be laughable to even suggest it here. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the fight against prejudice in the U.S. was won NON-violently (Prabhakaran can you hear me?). Or is it that this 2500 year old Sinhala civilization that we love to brag about is not so civilized after all? Bit of both methinks.

N. Ethirveerasingam said,

February 14, 2008 @ 2:00 am

V: The Black Americans did not gain their rights only because of peacefull negotiations. They fought with the Union Army to gain their rights. Abraham Lincoln’s proclamation was in 1864. Dont forget the race riots in the fifties and sixties. Yes, it took 100 years for Johnson to signe the civil rights Act. That was after Kennedy sent in the troops to integrate. If you think Sittingguts, Nandasenas and the 66% of the Sinhala voters are going to treat the Tamils equally, go and read the history of the Tamil - Sinhala conflict. Pirapaharan may not hear you but I am told, he reads everything written about the conflict, even the rubbish. He of course only responds through his annual address.

sittingnut said,

February 14, 2008 @ 2:27 am

v:

“It would be laughable to even suggest it ”
actually ppl did suggest it here seriously when mr kadirgamar was alive. like all democratic tamil leaders he was killed by ltte .

that is one reason why a war against ltte is principled and for democracy

“fight against prejudice in the U.S. was won NON-violently (Prabhakaran can you hear me?)”
err… criminal p and his ltte is not fighting against prejudices ( either violently or non violently ) . to believe otherwise is to give credence to ltte’s claim to be representative of tamils, when it has actually killed tamil leaders who really fought against prejudices through democracy

rajivmw said,

February 14, 2008 @ 11:08 am

If his foreign secretary had been murdered, his troops slaughtered with abandon, and his army commander and defence secretary bombed, I doubt if even Senator Obama could have convinced himself or the American people that going to war would be ‘dumb’.

But your point is that he would have fought the war on principle – for democracy, human rights, and liberty. Perhaps so. But war has a corrosive effect on these things, even in the most progressive of societies. I’ve heard it said many times that the U.S. constitution would not survive one more 9/11. And judging by what has transpired since 2001, it’s not entirely unlikely.

If the world’s richest and most powerful democracy is so vulnerable, then I think our institutions have held up remarkably well considering what we’ve been through. The president has been elected. His cabinet comprises representatives of all major communities. Our supreme court has regular bouts of independent-mindedness. Our press, despite the best efforts of the goon squads, is vibrant.

None of this is to suggest that everything is fine. Plainly it isn’t. I detest this government almost as much as you do, for all the reasons you have expressed here, and I wholeheartedly applaud your efforts to resist its assault on our rights and liberties. In today’s environment, it is heroic.

But for all that, I simply cannot agree with your implication that there is now a moral equivalence between the Sri Lankan state and the LTTE. It is the latter who wanted this war and started it. That much is clear, despite the best efforts of their apologists and propagandists to muddy the issue. And even if, for some reason, you don’t buy that, here’s something that’s indisputable:

If you were doing what you’re doing in the Vanni, you would have been subject to a lot worse than hate mail.

rajivmw said,

February 14, 2008 @ 11:16 am

Just a quick clarification.

When I said the LTTE started this war, I meant this current outbreak of it. The origins of the armed conflict as a whole are entirely debatable.

V said,

February 14, 2008 @ 11:50 am

Sittingnut:

1) Kadirgamar was suggested for PM by CBK, promptly torpedoed by MR who threatened a march from Hambantota

2) “war against ltte is principled and for democracy”: I am for eliminating the LTTE too, by offering a good political package that would pull the rug from under P and deprive him of his grass roots support.

3) “p and his ltte is not fighting against prejudices”: may I remind you about the Sinhala Only Act of 1956; the Policy of Standardization 1973; THE ANTI-TAMIL RIOT OF 1983 !!! ; mass eviction of Tamils from Colombo 2007; Mass arrests of Tamils in Colombo 2007; on-going abductions, torture, and killings of Tamils…

No argument with you that P and the LTTE are a bunch of murderous !@%$#&@! but WE created them by OUR stupid, short-sighted, PREJUDICED actions.

sittingnut said,

February 14, 2008 @ 9:20 pm

v:
“1) Kadirgamar was suggested for PM by CBK, promptly torpedoed by MR who threatened a march from Hambantota”
so? what is wrong with that ? can you explain?
ppl are free to have ambitionss and oppose possible competitors. obama is not getting there unoppesd either
your original point was that a sri lankan tamil candidacy will not be taken seriously. that was wrong. it was taken seriously not just by cbk

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“i am for eliminating the LTTE too,”
good to know

“by offering a good political package that would pull the rug from under P and deprive him of his grass roots support.”

do you assume he has grass root support for his atrocities, and for his oppression of … grass roots?
some ppl do take propaganda at face value it seems
you expect ltte fascist regime to be overthrown by ppl kept under its boot? nice daydream! in real world we have to defeat it with violence if needs be. otherwise it can stay there for decades however much ppl don’t like it
that is one reason why this war is principled .

as for “political packages” , they may be useful as propaganda for government, but final solution will come only when we have legitimate democratic representative of tamils in north and east provinces, who can then negotiate and compromise with other interest groups that represent sri lankan democracy. nobody has the right to say what tamils want now.

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” “p and his ltte is not fighting against prejudices”: may I remind you about the Sinhala Only Act of 1956; the Policy of Standardization 1973; THE ANTI-TAMIL RIOT OF 1983 !!! ; mass eviction of Tamils from Colombo 2007; Mass arrests of Tamils in Colombo 2007; on-going abductions, torture, and killings of Tamils…”

??? i think you made a mistake
i am not saying there are no prejudices, but that ltte is not fighting against them. quite the contrary in fact.
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“… WE created them by OUR stupid, short-sighted, PREJUDICED actions.”

i repeat ltte and p are not fighting for tamils and do not have tamil support for their atrocities. only racists (from both sides) believe otherwise . ltte racists are using that as a propaganda tactic . do you believe them ? your comment seems to admit that .

as i already said here before, none of the things you mention ( grievances , discriminations , ‘83 etc, etc ) justifies, or should be allowed be used as excuses for ltte atrocities by anyone with any claim to moral principles. if you are for human right, justice and democracy you should condemn any attempt to legitimize ltte’s atrocities by repeating its propaganda about tamil grievances .

a thief steals not bc he is poor. to say so is unjust and an attack against all those ppl who are poor and never steal . similarly ppl repeating this ltte propaganda lie, are attacking north and east tamils and other minorities ( some with even greater grievances ) who have preferred democratic means to fight prejudices.

as for prejudices , grievances etc.
they should be addressed only through democratic means through negaoations with all interest groups of sl, .when there is are legitimate democratic representatives for tamils in north and east. will all prejudices be addressed and all grievances addressed by that means? no . but that is how it should start and proceed.

war is principled bc it brings us to that point

sittingnut said,

February 15, 2008 @ 12:01 am

talking of obama here is in depth look at evolution of his stance on iraq war from next week’s “the new republic “magazine
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aaad0724-dd13-4ffa-810b-d5d3220ff055

V said,

February 15, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

Sittingnut:

“ppl are free to have ambitionss and oppose possible competitors. obama is not getting there unoppesd either”

AGREED. POINT TAKEN.

“i am not saying there are no prejudices, but that ltte is not fighting against them. ”
They are feeding on the prejudices. Their money raising machine amongst the diaspora doesn’t run on intimidation alone. Their actions right now are probably aimed at just sustaining the LTTE organization, but they are tapping into prejudices to market themselves. And evidently they do it well ($300 million raised per year supposedly). This is why I emphasize presenting a just political solution (that will remove the prejudices), to undermine them by attracting the grass roots away from them. Certainly, many in the north are oppressed by the Tigers, but we are deluding ourselves if we think the cadres who have repeatedly shown willingness to DIE (not just fight) for eelam are simply doing so because they are forced to. There were prejudices before, there are prejudices now, and the LTTE has articulated a solution (Eelam) which many Tamils find compelling enough to die for. We should provide an alternative solution that will appeal to the majority of the Tamil community (something other than “put the guns down and stick ‘em up.”). Which is also why I agree with Sanjana that this is a DUMB war. We de-fanged their best battlefield commander Karuna (who inflicted massive losses on our forces during Jayasikurui) during the Ceasefire. The LTTE split in two during peacetime NOT during war. We can beat the LTTE by being smarter, not by throwing our soldiers into battle, and dropping bombs on the Wanni (btw, do you consider dropping 500Kg bombs in populated areas to be principled war ? I know the US and UK does it, but it is still morally wrong. Collateral damage is a sanitized way of describing civilians dying.)

“when there is are legitimate democratic representatives for tamils in north and east.”
They did have democratic representatives post-Independence. I wasn’t around then but I’m told elections then were more fair and more free than today. I don’t think the offer of returning to what they had (square one) and then talking about solutions will fly. They would be forgiven for thinking that if they couldn’t get a fair hearing then, why would they get it now?

btw, as an aside, let me just make it clear that I am against ALL war. There is no Just war or Principled war; there is only war. There has to be a better way to solve our problems. If you get a chance, read “Nonviolence: The History of a Dangerous Idea” by Mark Kurlansky. Vijitha Yapa has it. It has many historical examples of using peace against a violent opponent to achieve political goals.

V said,

February 15, 2008 @ 2:16 pm

N. Ethirveerasingam ,

“The Black Americans did not gain their rights only because of peacefull negotiations. They fought with the Union Army to gain their rights. Abraham Lincoln’s proclamation was in 1864.”

The emancipation proclamation eliminated slavery. Jim Crow laws were in effect though upto 1964. The police also looked the other way while lynching of blacks continued unabated. Jim Crow laws were eliminated by NON-violent means only. Martin Luther King Jr.’s struggle captured the hearts and minds of both blacks and whites because it was based in non-violence.

sittingnut said,

February 15, 2008 @ 9:34 pm

v:

“There is no Just war or Principled war; there is only war.”
i think you should have said that from the beginning, not as an aside. since that concerns the topic of the post . you disagree not only me, but author of this post and even obama

it is easy to live in a fantasy world made of books and ignore the reality

i already dealt with why ltte has to be dealt with using violence if needs be in my first comment here and why such a “war is principled”. unless you prefer simple assertion to informed debate on this point you should address the points i raised there.
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following sentence of yours indicate that you have not understood what i am saying in my previous comment
“We should provide an alternative solution that will appeal to the majority of the Tamil community (something other than “put the guns down and stick ‘em up.”)”

you are basically equating tamils with ltte terrorists. that is racist. when you are trapped in such a racist mindset it is very difficult to get out of that and engage or even understand that there are other ways of looking at it
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now lets examine arguments in your comment

“Certainly, many in the north are oppressed by the Tigers, but we are deluding ourselves if we think the cadres who have repeatedly shown willingness to DIE (not just fight) for eelam are simply doing so because they are forced to”

did i say ltte cadres were forced to fight? you assume too much. i never said that, nor do i believe that. some may be but most are not. as i said some believe propaganda and “ltte racists are using (the cliam they are fighting for tamils ) as a propaganda tactic “. i am sure nazi soldiers believed hitler too.

anyway ltte’s claim it is not true nor is there any grounds for it regardless of whether some idiotic criminals working for it believe it and are willing to die for it or not. so any principled person should not repeat it as if he/she believes it, as you did

anyway ppl who are so morally bankrupt that they believe aiding and supporting ltte atrocities will address tamil problems , should be treated as criminals.
i for one don’t believe tamils are doing that . may be you do ?

i repeat poverty does not excuse theft. to believe otherwise is unjust and immoral.

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as for best way for fighting ltte, that is best left to ppl who know how to do that . i do not think offering “political solutions ” created by ppl not representing tamils in north and east provinces will help . but if they think that is useful propaganda by all means.
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“btw, do you consider dropping 500Kg bombs in populated areas to be principled war?”
as i said from the first objections to means of conducting war is a separate issue from whether ltte is a target of a principled war . you have not addressed that fundamental question beyond asserting you are opposed to all war . see the beginning of this comment with regard to that

beyond that to give validity to your objections you have to substantiate your claims ( “dropping 500Kg bombs in populated areas” for example ) and prove that gosl or sl military has a deliberate policy of attcking civilians. you have not done that .

as long as ltte is a target for a principled war (reason for which i gave in my first comment and which you have not addressed ) and as long as military uses legitimate means for conducting war, it is a principled war.

that ppl may die accidentally when police try to arrest violent criminals does not mean they are not doing the right thing or that they should not arrest them . if individual police officers break the law in the process by all means substantiate that and let law take its course .

you on the other hand confuse all of that together.

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“They did have democratic representatives post-Independence…. I don’t think the offer of returning to what they had (square one) and then talking about solutions will fly. They would be forgiven for thinking that if they couldn’t get a fair hearing then, why would they get it now?”

i actually answered you question already. ” will all prejudices be addressed and all grievances addressed by that means? no”
however there is no other option. that is the way democracy works.

various interest groups ( ethnic or otherwise) in a democracy do not get everything they want , they have to compromise with other interest groups . democracy is hard work if you persist you get some of what you want ( in sl for instance indian tamils were able to enfranchise millions through democracy)

on the other hand no one has the right to go and demand through violence if they do not get what you want through democracy . if some small group unjustifiably pretends to represent a particular (broader) interest group and claim to resort to violence bc of such disappointment that group should be treated as violent criminals. ltte is that. that is one reason why war against them is principled

you seem to not understand these facts and principles about democracy

sham2 said,

February 22, 2008 @ 2:31 pm

Dear editor
i am writing this comment for the 3rd time as it doent seem to get loaded.

To Sanjana

What are your views on creating a seperate country for LTTE or Tamil ellam? are you for this?

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