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	<title>Comments on: Old Truths and Old Men</title>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://www.groundviews.org/2008/05/11/old-truths-and-old-men/#comment-2749</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These old men you talk of, there's always a fresh supply of young'uns to take their place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These old men you talk of, there&#8217;s always a fresh supply of young&#8217;uns to take their place.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://www.groundviews.org/2008/05/11/old-truths-and-old-men/#comment-2748</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will NEVER happen. The world always has been and always will be asleep, at least for my foreseeable lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will NEVER happen. The world always has been and always will be asleep, at least for my foreseeable lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Punitham</title>
		<link>http://www.groundviews.org/2008/05/11/old-truths-and-old-men/#comment-2742</link>
		<dc:creator>Punitham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurththolai is young leaf and not shoot.
Very interesting things for thought, Lalith, Chinthana and Ekcol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurththolai is young leaf and not shoot.<br />
Very interesting things for thought, Lalith, Chinthana and Ekcol.</p>
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		<title>By: Ekcol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ekcol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lalith,
Yes, JR was an old man and was stupid. But he was stupid when he was young anyway.  Guess what the average age of those who implemented his policies and their average age. They were Young. Guess who campaigned to elect the Old Men. Ellalan was old, but not stupid by any yardstick. Guess who the young Turk who killed the old man. Killing an old man may get a testosterone high in the short run, but see what it led to in the long run.

There are old men who are vile and there are young men who are vile. What people do to each other is ingrained in their mind and the society in which they are brought up. The question is how do we create a system of education that would evolve a humane society? Ideals are a Rupee a dozen, but ideas are hard to come by whether it is from the Stupid Young Persons or the "Stupid Old Persons.."

Your complain of the Old Men, brings to memory what my grandmother told my brother when he teased her about her age and called her a stupid old woman.  She smiled and said in Tamil,"Kavolai Vila Kurththolai Sirutchchuutham." That is, when the Dried Palm Leaves Fall, the Shoots Laughed. 

Your commentary on Truth assumes as if it is absolute. Scientific methods never permits anything to be absolute.  In fact the word Truth does not exist in science. Every scientific fact have conditions under which it may be true.  A fact is an event of high probability. Not a truth engraved in stone by philosophers or prophets.  So don't blame science. Blame those who misinterpret and/or misuse science.  Go bark up the young trees, the old ones will be falling down soon anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lalith,<br />
Yes, JR was an old man and was stupid. But he was stupid when he was young anyway.  Guess what the average age of those who implemented his policies and their average age. They were Young. Guess who campaigned to elect the Old Men. Ellalan was old, but not stupid by any yardstick. Guess who the young Turk who killed the old man. Killing an old man may get a testosterone high in the short run, but see what it led to in the long run.</p>
<p>There are old men who are vile and there are young men who are vile. What people do to each other is ingrained in their mind and the society in which they are brought up. The question is how do we create a system of education that would evolve a humane society? Ideals are a Rupee a dozen, but ideas are hard to come by whether it is from the Stupid Young Persons or the &#8220;Stupid Old Persons..&#8221;</p>
<p>Your complain of the Old Men, brings to memory what my grandmother told my brother when he teased her about her age and called her a stupid old woman.  She smiled and said in Tamil,&#8221;Kavolai Vila Kurththolai Sirutchchuutham.&#8221; That is, when the Dried Palm Leaves Fall, the Shoots Laughed. </p>
<p>Your commentary on Truth assumes as if it is absolute. Scientific methods never permits anything to be absolute.  In fact the word Truth does not exist in science. Every scientific fact have conditions under which it may be true.  A fact is an event of high probability. Not a truth engraved in stone by philosophers or prophets.  So don&#8217;t blame science. Blame those who misinterpret and/or misuse science.  Go bark up the young trees, the old ones will be falling down soon anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: CHINTHANA MAHINDA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CHINTHANA MAHINDA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With apologies to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) 

First they banned the sale of meat,
and I didn't speak up, because I was a vegetarian.
Then they banned the sale of alcohol,
and I didn't speak up, because I was a teetotaler.
When they shut down movie theatres,
I didn't speak up, because I had a DVD at home.
When they censored television,
I didn't speak up, because I didn't watch T.V.
When they imprisoned Tamils on suspicion of being terrorists,
I didn't speak up, because I was a Burgher.
When they shooed away the beggers and bashed up the gays,
I didn't speak up, because I was neither gay nor a begger.
When they put away the prostitutes,
I didn't speak up, because I was a married men who stayed cloistered at home.
I didn't raise my voice, I didn't make a fuss.
It's funny there was no one left to notice, when they came for me!


For his opposition to the Nazi's state control of the churches, Niemöller was imprisoned in Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps from 1937 to 1945. He narrowly escaped execution and survived imprisonment.After his imprisonment, he expressed his deep regret about not having done enough to help the victims of the Nazis.

This is the original poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller.


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With apologies to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) </p>
<p>First they banned the sale of meat,<br />
and I didn&#8217;t speak up, because I was a vegetarian.<br />
Then they banned the sale of alcohol,<br />
and I didn&#8217;t speak up, because I was a teetotaler.<br />
When they shut down movie theatres,<br />
I didn&#8217;t speak up, because I had a DVD at home.<br />
When they censored television,<br />
I didn&#8217;t speak up, because I didn&#8217;t watch T.V.<br />
When they imprisoned Tamils on suspicion of being terrorists,<br />
I didn&#8217;t speak up, because I was a Burgher.<br />
When they shooed away the beggers and bashed up the gays,<br />
I didn&#8217;t speak up, because I was neither gay nor a begger.<br />
When they put away the prostitutes,<br />
I didn&#8217;t speak up, because I was a married men who stayed cloistered at home.<br />
I didn&#8217;t raise my voice, I didn&#8217;t make a fuss.<br />
It&#8217;s funny there was no one left to notice, when they came for me!</p>
<p>For his opposition to the Nazi&#8217;s state control of the churches, Niemöller was imprisoned in Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps from 1937 to 1945. He narrowly escaped execution and survived imprisonment.After his imprisonment, he expressed his deep regret about not having done enough to help the victims of the Nazis.</p>
<p>This is the original poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller.</p>
<p>When the Nazis came for the communists,<br />
I remained silent;<br />
I was not a communist.</p>
<p>When they locked up the social democrats,<br />
I remained silent;<br />
I was not a social democrat.</p>
<p>When they came for the trade unionists,<br />
I did not speak out;<br />
I was not a trade unionist.</p>
<p>When they came for the Jews,<br />
I remained silent;<br />
I wasn&#8217;t a Jew.</p>
<p>When they came for me,<br />
there was no one left to speak out.</p>
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