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Paying global media for local elections

It is probably not the incumbent President himself in charge of the massive re-election campaign which has no qualms about misusing State property and public finances or perverting telecoms regulations to deliver propaganda via SMS. Yet to date, there has been no official statement or clarification over these clear reports of gross misappropriation of public resources.

In yet another bizarre example of a campaign gone berserk, it appears that banner ads have been purchased on leading global media sites to promote the incumbent Executive. Examples of these generic banner ads are reported to be on the webpages of,

  • The Telegraph
  • The Independent
  • The New York Times and the International Herald Tribune
  • The Sydney Morning Herald
  • The Hindu
  • The Indian Express
  • The Hindustan Times
  • The Guardian
  • Facebook profile pages (in addition to the official page of the incumbent on the platform)
  • Gmail (on text links that appear next to emails)

Amongst a number of other questions, we wonder why the incumbent feels the need to secure prime banner ad spots on these international websites? Does the incumbent believe that the handful of Sri Lankan voters who visit these sites from Sri Lanka are worth the significant amount spent to secure these banner ad placements? How and why were these news media sites based in the UK, USA, India and Australia chosen? Will the incumbent disclose the sum of money spent on these ads if demanded by a voter? Where did this money come from? Leading bloggers in Sri Lanka have identified the incumbent’s campaign and the misuse of public funds as shameless.

Going by the examples below, it can be argued that it is outrageously senseless and wasteful to boot.

Update – 6th January 2009

Readers alerted us to banner ads running on the following sites as well,

  • Cricinfo
  • Daily Mail
  • The Times of India

Screenshots have been added to the gallery above.

Update – 8th January 2009

A regular reader on Groundviews using the epithet SomewhatDisgusted, demanded that we carry a clarification to this article in light of some of the comments below that expand on the issues flagged in this post. He / she also had the chutzpah to call the article “just plain ill-researched and off the mark”, markedly reminiscent in tone and substance to the Government’s initial and enduring response to a war crimes video which the UN has confirmed as authentic and requiring further investigation. Our response to SomewhatDisgusted can be read here.

We appreciated in our response SomewhatDisgusted’s avowed concern about our journalistic integrity and encouraged the individual to as robustly and openly apply the same high principles to the incumbent President, his government and what is essentially and indubitably a grotesque re-election campaign funded by our money.

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Mr Minority said,

January 5, 2010 @ 10:46 pm

This guy has ammased so much wealth that he can even buy prime time on USA TV channels. They want to make this investment so that they could plunder for the next six years. They probably beleive that Sri Lankans are all illeterate. 26th December 04 was the first time they stole big and 26 Jan 2010 will be the day they lose big

Thaaraka said,

January 5, 2010 @ 10:50 pm

I don’t think he had paid for all this separately. It could be that he paid for something like google or yahoo adds. These site must be partners for those add providers. Usually adds are displayed selectively and may be only for hits from sri lanka. May be not very expensive in comparison to a color poster which cost at least 10 rupees. Only goats care to look at them.

Heshan said,

January 5, 2010 @ 11:23 pm

I applaud “Groundviews” for exposing such corruption. It is a sign of the times that such exposure can only be done electronically, the local media having been silenced indefinitely.

The anti-nit picker said,

January 6, 2010 @ 2:13 am

he just advertised on adwords and it probably figured since you were sriankan it would be relevant. IIRC Obama did the same thing, in fact he did a lot more aggressive advertisement (in video games for example) and people never complained, in fact they hailed him for being so “innovative” to reach out the people.
(adwords.google.co.uk/)
I usually read the opinions on this blog expecting a lot of research and some intellectual critique, so Im quite glad you researched on this topic before-hand ::)

Bardo said,

January 6, 2010 @ 5:50 am

It’s entirely possible (probable even) that the ads are only shown to visitors with Sri Lankan IP addresses. If that’s the case, the costs would be quite low.

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 6, 2010 @ 6:12 am

It’s amusing to see how these allegations and rumours evolve right in front of your eyes. Mr. Minority has made a web ad suddenly transform itself into a prime time ad on USA TV. Indi’s blog too has fallen prey to a similar issue, as pointed out in certain comments (http://indi.ca/2010/01/examples-of-corruption-and-waste/).

As long as it’s nearly impossible to separate the facts from the fiction, it’s very hard to make a rational decision, especially since both candidates have glaring faults of their own. Perhaps a prayer to your personal favourite deity and a coin toss is the way to go!

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 6, 2010 @ 6:18 am

Just to clarify, this particular article is clearly not an allegation. The evidence is right before one’s eyes and that’s exactly what’s needed. The same can be said of the sms and the hedging fiasco. I was rather referring to Mr. Minority’s dramatized version of events and the similarly unverified nature of the stuff in Indi’s blog.

Observer said,

January 6, 2010 @ 11:00 am

“I applaud “Groundviews” for exposing such corruption. It is a sign of the times that such exposure can only be done electronically, the local media having been silenced indefinitely.”

HAHAHA Google AdWords is corruption now! Go checkout their rates…

https://adwords.google.com/select/AfpoFinder?currency=USD&country=LK

Cost per THOUSAND (1000) impressions is USD $0.25! (for displaying the add).

Only thing though, that rate maybe for text adds – I am not sure. Since this is a banner add add it maybe slightly more – still not outrageous. If you know how to, find out and tell me instead of speculating of an outrageous imaginary amount! Facts please. I challenge Groundviews (poster of this article) to contact Google and find out the rate for banner adds on the Google ad network since they have an obligations to back allegations with FACT! Not screenshots!

I have seen these adds on NY times etc and have accessed through a proxy and VPN outside SL. Then they don’t show up. So yes it’s only for Sri Lankan IPs. Again less cost there!

If you don’t believe they’re Google adds click on it and pay attention to the intermediate proxy domain which the request goes through.

googleadds.g.doubleclick.net

I’m sure MR has some kick ass media team (no doubt), those adds on TV are quite well made. But those Internet adds doesn’t require a first rate PR team.

One of my friend’s wife handles their Google adword account for their small business. It doesn’t cost a fortune as I have shown the rates above. I have heard it’s a quite cost effective way of getting traffic.

Internet advertising is the cheapest form of advertising. These ICT gurus ought to know that before picking on it. At least criticise the TV adds, which I also think is quite excessive!

Give the MR marketing team some credit for adopting non conventional (for SL standards) communication mediums for their campaign.

“How and why were these news media sites based in the UK, USA, India and Australia chosen? ”

Because the educated well informed in Sri Lanka go to these web sites to get their current affairs fix!

Nibras Bawa said,

January 6, 2010 @ 11:02 am

If i’m not mistaken Groundviews advocated engaging the diaspora in SL affairs and still continues to advocate same. Given, you, esteemed groundviews in the past have always supported internationalizing Lankan affairs (both good & bad), i see NO reason why you should oppose this foreign media camapign by MR. Hypocrisy perhaps?

in addition to all screen shots provided by Groundviews, MR’s campaigna also use Google Adwords, Facebook Ads, Blog sponsorships (and possibly more). I welcome this brilliant strategy. In todays globalised world where everything is connected, i consider this a path breaking move by a lankan president to forge ties with the international community, in particular the lankan diaspora. They too deserve a bit of paradise, don’t they?

Your argument is fundementally flawed for,
A) You advocate engaging the diaspora
B) Globalized world dictates a global approach
C) This is also an image building exercise for Srilanka that can help boost tourism, investments, trade and political relations etc… Any exposure on global media is a good thing for SL as you are bound to attract interest, that can then be turned into value.
D) In simple marketing terms, a 360 campaign requires integration of Offline strategy with Online strategy. Often online media and as you would agree is targeted at international audience, and its a good thing given there is much international attention be it GSP plus, UN’s HR violation probe… The campaign should help project the right image Srilanka deserves, so why oppose it?

BTW, am at the airport and am told Srilankan Inflight entertainment features MR’s campaigns… Not sure if its available on Emirates though. I am eagerly waiting to see the screens on my flight… Should be fun :)

Differences apart, whoever doing this is a SMARTASS guy or has people around him who are smart. I mean who would have thought of using inbound and outbound flights to and from Srilanka to use for campaigns? I am thrilled and excited by these campaigns. Like i said MR is a smartass, and Srilanka deserves a smartass to take this country forward :)

I’ll probably update if i see more campaigns inflight :)

Observer said,

January 6, 2010 @ 11:12 am

I had a quick search and Google says the rates do not differ whether they be text or image adds. Which I found surprising.

http://adwords.google.com/support/aw/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=7687

Sleep easy boys ;-)

Heshan said,

January 6, 2010 @ 11:22 am

“Perhaps a prayer to your personal favourite deity and a coin toss is the way to go!”

Nah I have a better idea. Call the allegations a Western conspiracy, deny the ads were ever placed by SLFP people, and send white vans to pick up whoever disagrees. :)

Observer said,

January 6, 2010 @ 11:28 am

“Does the incumbent believe that the handful of Sri Lankan voters who visit these sites from Sri Lanka are worth the significant amount spent to secure these banner ad placements?”

YES OF COURSE!

First of all, it’s not nice to say “handful”. Very condescending and you kind of assume a lot of Sri Lankans live in total darkness w/o access to the Internet. Do you have any idea of the penetration of broadband Internet in Sri Lanka now? And how cheap it is?

The purpose of the add is not to tell you MR is contending the elections and to tell you to vote for him. We all know that! The link redirects to his web site http://www.mahinda2010.lk/ which gives you information to make an informed decision. News of his campaign trail and policy manifestos.

Isn’t it encouraging that the president is going to a great length to invite the “informed” community of Sri Lanka to evaluate his campaign and to make an informed choice? Point is he’s not targeting the audience visiting playboy.com :-P

Don’t these people go and advocate to others who may not have Internet access and cannot readily access this information? Isn’t it wise to reach out to these people?

IcheckedthemfromItaly said,

January 6, 2010 @ 6:18 pm

Well, I am not an MR supporter. But for curiosity’s sake I checked the named websites for the above mentioined adds and I found none. I am posting from Italy and the adds may be only relevant to Sri Lankan viewers. So this will help clarify some misconceptions. Anyway that doesn’t mean I approve the curruption done by MR.

Groundviews said,

January 6, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

The banner ads are unsurprisingly geo-targeted, which means that they only appear on these sites if the reader is in (or IP resolves to) Sri Lanka. This is what makes it even more bizarre that, for example, ads have been secured on British tabloids like the Daily Mail. Honestly, how many do you think visit the Daily Mail from Sri Lanka? What does the President of Sri Lanka stand to gain from an election campaign featured prominently next to drunk, semi-nude British celebrities and lascivious gossip?

Groundtruth said,

January 7, 2010 @ 2:43 am

The issue, to my mind, is who pays for the ads, even if it is small or insignificant? If it is party or private funds then it should not matter in the least. Th question is one of principles of spendign public finances and going by other instances eg.tsunami funds anything becomes supect. Even the Auditor General deos not seem to know what is happening, which undermines public confidence in government’s spending.

Just like with many allegations of corruption but with the Bribery Commissioner supposedly tied to his desk! Credibility is on the line. And it matters at election ime. Grounviews has done well to alert the public. After all, it is part of good governance principles to be above board.

Chaminda Weerawardhana said,

January 7, 2010 @ 6:03 am

Sanjana,

about your last comment: this brilliant idea must have been that of someone in His Majesty’s campaign bureau – maybe it was an idea of His brother (in charge of the campaign) or maybe was it from the young Crown Prince? anyway, once again, these boys have totally lost the plot.

Instead of limiting this to SL IP addresses, what if they thought of developing a new mechanism to enable all expatriate citizens to cast their vote (as all expat US citizens do during a presidential election – & the same happens in many a country – Zarkozy in 2007 was extremely conscious of getting the votes of the massive FR community in Britain) ? Govt servants abroad can cast their (postal) votes, and all other expats are totally deprived of their right to vote at a national election…this is very unjust because today’s Sri Lankan community is a globally distributed one.

If such a mechanism was put into practice, using e-ads for the campaign would have made loads of sense.

Jayawewa!

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 7, 2010 @ 6:28 am

Dear Groundviews,

“This is what makes it even more bizarre that, for example, ads have been secured on British tabloids like the Daily Mail”

I think your critique is based on a misunderstanding of how Google AdWords work.

When you place an ad on Google, you can choose to have the ad appear automatically on any website participating in the “Google Content Network” (http://www.google.com/adwords/contentnetwork/partners.html). Clearly, the Daily Mail, Telegraph etc. all participate.

There are two modes. You can either choose automatic placement mode, in which Google will automatically select the websites based on your target advertising criteria. Alternatively, you can choose managed placements, in which you can give greater weight to certain sites over others.

The criteria on which an ad appears on a site can be determined by you, based on keywords, geo-location etc, and is called contextual targeting (http://adwords.google.com/support/aw/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=91765).

So it’s highly unlikely that any of these ads were specifically placed on these websites. It’s possible that certain sites were given greater weight, but that’s hard to predict. The most likely scenario is that the keywords in that article matched the advertising criteria. For example, I would bet that “Sri Lanka” was a keyword and perhaps “election”. Clearly, the geo-location was restricted to Sri Lanka also.

More information here:
http://adwords.google.com/

cheers!

Groundviews said,

January 7, 2010 @ 7:25 am

@SomewhatDisgusted, if you clicked through all the links you’ve provided, please tell us where it is mentioned that the Daily Mail is part of Google’s AdWords scheme? Neither the news nor the entertainment categories of the Google Content Network in the UK sports the Daily Mail as one of the mediums covered, or in fact a number of other media located in the UK noted above.

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 7, 2010 @ 8:10 am

Dear Groundviews,

What’s listed in the Google site under network partners is only a sample (as clearly mentioned in it). Surely, you don’t think that Google has links to only 5 websites in each country?

To verify, just go to http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html. At it clearly says at the top, the ads are by Google. If you want further verification, rest your mouse cursor over any ad. It links to googleads.g.doubleclick.net. FYI, Google bought over double click a while back and now owns over 56% of the ad server market (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10127689-93.html)

cheers!

Kshama said,

January 7, 2010 @ 8:12 am

Interesting, for a regime that vehemently opposes the West and sees an international conspiracy in everything!…….. paying the much maligned western media to be re-elected. what desperation!

Bardo said,

January 7, 2010 @ 8:26 am

Even 1 million impressions would cost $250. 10 million would cost $2500. This is nothing but small change considering the amount they would have to spend on traditional advertising.

This is nothing but cheap political mud. Nothing’s been proven, there is no evidence whatsoever to even suggest a hint of corruption.

Groundviews said,

January 7, 2010 @ 8:48 am

@Bardo – The confidence you have that whatever money spent is not public finances must come from somewhere. Please let us in on this authoritative source?

Groundviews said,

January 7, 2010 @ 8:52 am

@SomewhatDisgusted, many thanks. The questions posed in the original article remain, however, unanswered. For example, why do you think the campaign has chosen to advertise on British tabloids for ads that only appear on readers who visit them from Sri Lanka, and more importantly, the principled question of whether public finances have been used to fund this spree.

Observer said,

January 7, 2010 @ 8:59 am

“This is what makes it even more bizarre that, for example, ads have been secured on British tabloids like the Daily Mail. Honestly, how many do you think visit the Daily Mail from Sri Lanka?”

Well aren’t they all practicing tabloid journalism these days? Like our favorite Times Online? Emotional journalism with sensationalism as opposed to news pieces backed with verified facts. Point is Sri Lankans see all the UK news media as tabloids with the recent coverage of SL. So don’t blame us!

End of the day anyone, including you and me can afford to open a Google AdWord account. Unless you can link the Google checkout account used for this to public funds, then there is no story here. You’re better off bashing the TV adds and cut outs. Especially the Mervin one at Keleniya!

This is why all these corruption charges are sounding vastly exaggerated and comical now. I think they just over did it. Where is solid evidence? All I hear is speculation, speculation and more speculation. Like the chain email posted at indi.ca. Lol I knew since the age of 12 that chain email was not to be trusted! Is this the evidence of wide spread corruption?

I am not naive enough to think that these pollies who come into office don’t fatten their coffers. It happens in the West too. All over the world for that matter! If you think some of them US senators that passionately defend certain elements and views in the Senate aren’t in the pocket of big companies representing oil, weapons, pharmaceutical, etc, etc then go back to your nursery books and your care bear friends. Didn’t the UK labor government have a big brouhaha over misuse of public funds recently?

The coalition’s biggest charge is that corruption was over the top. Irony is some of the biggest horu in the country’s past are charging the current administration as horu. Why is that I have not seen a single document as proof of this? All I want is a deed, an accounts statement, etc. of an inappropriate asset or sum of money linking to the incumbent or his relatives, posies. I must have this to make up my mind as opposed to kata katha.

I’m sure you’re gonna say they hide it well, but at the level opposition is claiming you must be able to find evidence lying on the street!

I have one request from the opposition. Please… if you can buy ministers from the government to jump sides, please do the voting public a favor, buy one of their accountants with some damning fudged statements and present to the public.

Off the Cuff said,

January 7, 2010 @ 9:46 am

Dear Groundviews,

Your post to SomewhatDisgusted on January 7, 2010 @ 7:25 am

I followed SomewhatDisgusted’s instructions and found the following as Partners for category news (Thank you SomewhatDisgusted)

The URL for UK itself is not available. You need to expand the map and select UK first. Then the categories for the country appear in it.

The links below are to the LOGOs displayed

The referring URL is shown as http://www.groundviews.org/2010/01/05/paying-global-media-for-local-elections/

My post did not appear probably due to the verification process within your system that verifies external links. A good precaution by the way. Hence I am removing the http: part from each url below

//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/cnn.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/dailyrecord.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/euronews.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/icwales.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/iht.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/itn.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/nationmedia.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/sundaymail.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/theinquirer.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/wsj.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/mirror.gif
//adwords.google.com/select/afc/images/partners/uk/thesun.gif

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 7, 2010 @ 10:25 am

Dear Groundviews,

“For example, why do you think the campaign has chosen to advertise on British tabloids for ads that only appear on readers who visit them from Sri Lanka”

Perhaps I wasn’t clear with my explanation. Google Ads displays targeted ads on all partner sites. You do not need to specifically say which partner sites, Google has its own algorithm to decide that. Some of the factors that affect that decision are
1. Where the user’s IP originates from, in this case, Sri Lanka.
2. The content the article being viewed and whether the content matches the advertiser’s keywords
3. Additional criteria specified by the advertiser, such as specific sites, specific industries etc.

The whole idea is to make sure users see the Ads most relevant to them and advertisers reach their exact target audience. Therefore, there’s no surprise at all that partner sites, including international ones, are displaying Sri Lankan ads to Sri Lankan users. Keep in mind that few or nobody from Sri Lanka advertise using Google and also that it’s more advantageous for all concerned to show a Sri Lankan ad to a Sri Lankan user than say, a Burger King Ad to a Sri Lankan user. I think that more or less explains the phenomenon.

This is also why it’s a fruitless exercise to keep adding screenshots to the gallery above. At best, you will end up creating a catalogue of sites partnering with Google and carrying content relevant to Sri Lanka, not really sites that MR’s campaign has specifically paid for. I hope I’ve cleared that up.

“more importantly, the principled question of whether public finances have been used to fund this spree”

That’s true. Based on personal knowledge, MR doesn’t have too many qualms about using public property for his own campaign, I know this for a fact. However, as Observer has pointed out, that does not necessarily mean that the amount of corruption is equivalent to what’s carried in (grossly exaggerated?) chain-mail. The sad reality is that none of this comes as anything particularly new to a Sri Lankan and the piety of the opposition will only be for as long as it takes them to get their own grubby paws on a piece of the pie. That’s why we are better off knowing the real extent of the corruption instead of wild speculation and I more or less agree with Observer’s observations on this.

cheers!

Groundviews said,

January 7, 2010 @ 11:01 am

@Observer, the point about the partisan and unverified nature of the allegations of outrageous corruption by the incumbents is well taken, and well put. There are however a number of concerns over the gross misuse of State property and public finances documented in the first report by Transparency International that have gone unanswered by the government and its supporters. It is in this larger context of the misuse of public finances, and the lack of transparency over campaign funding in general, that the questions over the nature of the ads in international media are placed.

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 8, 2010 @ 6:38 pm

Dear Groundviews,

I noticed that you had made an edit on 6th January 2010 with additions to the list of websites participating in Google Adwords. However, given the influx of comments clarifying the situation from various posters, I see no similar addition with clarifications on the following points.

1. The supposed cost of these advertisements.
2. Why they appear on international media sites.
3. The allegation on it being outrageously senseless and wasteful, given the targeted nature of the ads.

The only valid critique here is the call to disclose the amount of money and the source of those funds. The rest of the article is just plain ill-researched and off the mark, giving it the appearance of a prejudiced propaganda piece than a valid critique on the incumbent . Further, given that tislanka.org carries this article verbatim (which raises questions as to how well researched its own articles are), as do a few other sites, I believe it would be a good idea to issue a correction, in the interests of journalistic integrity and towards the goal of directing the public’s attention to the real issues.

cheers!

Groundviews said,

January 8, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

@SomewhatDisgusted,

Thank you for your comment. On the nature of the questions raised,

1. The supposed cost of these advertisements.
It is up to the President’s election campaign to reveal the money spent, and from where it was sourced. It is not for us to assume that the money spent was not sourced from public finances. This urgent clarification which is obviously not going to be forthcoming from this regime is acknowledged as valid in your own comment.

2. Why they appear on international media sites.
That they appear on international media website IS a problem. The comments here explain how they appear, not why they should. Some justify it. We do not. We believe it is unnecessary and given the concerns enumerated above and in the original post, wasteful to boot.

3. The allegation on it being outrageously senseless and wasteful, given the targeted nature of the ads.
Again, this is a difference of opinion. The “targeted nature of the ads” is to do with the fact that their visibility is limited to those visiting the sites from Sri Lanka. That they should have been paid for in the first place, with no indication of the source of funding, is a problem. No one in this forum can say how much of money was spent on this campaign. The information on Google Ads provided in various links is helpful in ascertaining the minimum sum needed to place ads on the web using Google’s AdWords, but it is impossible to ascertain from these links how much was actually spent on to place these ads. Given the outrageous misappropriation of public finances in other domains as documented, with plenty of evidence, by Transparency International, it remain a deeply pertinent question as to how much of money was spent securing these ads. We reserve the right to believe, until proven otherwise, that this sum was ill-spent.

We appreciate your concern about our journalistic integrity and the goal of directing the public’s attention to the real issues. We trust you will also robustly and as openly apply the same high principles to the incumbent President, his government and what is essentially and indubitably a grotesque re-election campaign funded by our money.

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 8, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

Dear Groundviews,

To take each of your points in turn.

1. I see that you’re following the doctrine of guilty until proven innocent, which may be acceptable, given that the govt. is dealing with public funds. However, given the nature of the Sri Lankan political climate, and the no-holds-barred mudslinging involved, it’s also unrealistic to expect responses to every random allegation published on every other forum. Did you contact the campaign and demand a response before publishing the article? If so, and no response was forthcoming, it may be reasonable to consider them guilty.

2. Such a question boils down to why there should be any advertising at all. After all, should anyone other than a neo-luddite be overly concerned that the Internet was used for advertising over TV?

3. As I said earlier, the only valid point boils down to questioning the source of the funding. The rest of it is irrelevant. For example, the main questions you had raised, to quote, are:

” we wonder why the incumbent feels the need to secure prime banner ad spots on these international websites? Does the incumbent believe that the handful of Sri Lankan voters who visit these sites from Sri Lanka are worth the significant amount spent to secure these banner ad placements? How and why were these news media sites based in the UK, USA, India and Australia chosen? Will the incumbent disclose the sum of money spent on these ads if demanded by a voter? Where did this money come from?”

Given that the cost to advertise on Google is extremely low, that the sites were not specifically chosen and the ads were targeted, all of the above questions have been answered, and are clearly irrelevant, except for the source of funding. So it certainly does not require much “chutzpah” to characterize it as being “ill-researched and off-the-mark”. On the other hand, your below-the-belt attempt to compare my concerns to a denial of a war crimes video may be more appropriately labelled “chutzpah”.

As for your call for me to apply the same high principles, it is well received and I one would certainly hope to aim for such a laudable goal. However, given that I’m not a journalist, and that I did not write any article for or against the incumbent, it seems a curious twist of logic that I should be as concerned about it. I have, in fact, acknowledged in my previous post that there are instances known to me personally of the incumbent’s misuse of public property, but my aim is to establish the real extent of that misuse, as opposed to imaginative or fictitious accounts of it.

cheers!

Dhiraj said,

January 8, 2010 @ 9:14 pm

Dear groundviews… I hope you realise that the ads weren’t individually bought from each of the papers you have listed. If you go through google ads, they tailor your ads so that they appear alongside key words. For example, if a said article mentions, say, Sri Lanka more than 5 times or it is filed under those key words, or the visitor is from a Sri Lankan IP address – your ad will appear on that page. So in other words, google uses its global links for its advertising program. This is one of it’s selling points. You pay the fee they require, and they take care of the rest. It certainly isn’t going to each website and individually buying advertising space.

Dhiraj said,

January 8, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

“Honestly, how many do you think visit the Daily Mail from Sri Lanka? ”

Well, you seem to have visited it… so why wouldn’t other Sri Lankans.

Groundviews said,

January 8, 2010 @ 9:49 pm

The question was how many.

Groundviews said,

January 8, 2010 @ 9:49 pm

The point has been made before, and is extraneous to the thrust of the article.

Groundviews said,

January 8, 2010 @ 10:04 pm

@SomewhatDisgusted, why don’t you contact the campaign? Presumably, you’re a voter and should care enough to demand a response, if only to prove us wrong? We would gladly and openly admit it on this forum if funds used for this campaign (admittedly miniscule in comparison to, for example, well over 80 million rupees spent on the Tharunyata Hetak TV campaign) were from private coffers.

Point 2 you now make is bizarre – the article does not make any mention that there should not be campaigning, and that such campaigning must exclude advertising.

Point 3, and one you and others of your ilk keep making, is about the purportedly “low cost” of this web based ad campaign. How do you know? Let us in on the secret please. Did Google tell you? Also, low in comparison to what? The Tharunyata Hetak ad spending as noted above? Finally, we believe in the principle that the misappropriation of public funds bears zero tolerance – whether it is 80 million or a single cent.

Your final point is a cop out, unsurprisingly. This is a citizen journalism site. If you are neither a citizen nor admittedly a journalist, we can safely assume you are one of those curious solipsistic creatures who engage in polemics only because you have nothing to say, but insist on saying it.

Reader said,

January 9, 2010 @ 1:40 am

Using public funds (tsunami money) for personal use

Using public funds to take large numbers of individuals on overseas visits

Using public funds for failed investments, e.g. Mihin Airlines

Using public funds for banquets

Using public funds (200 lakhs) to send the son overseas for naval training

Using public funds to build palaces for family members

Using public funds for campaign advertising

This guy is almost as bad as CBK! (At least she left and her dynasty is gone for good)

Reader said,

January 9, 2010 @ 1:44 am

By the way, there is another Mahinda Rajapakse advertisement on infolanka.com

You might have to refresh the screen a few times to see it.

Lanka Encounters the Third Kind said,

January 9, 2010 @ 3:48 am

Groundviews says: “This is a citizen journalism site. If you are neither a citizen nor admittedly a journalist, we can safely assume you are one of those curious solipsistic creatures who engage in polemics only because you have nothing to say, but insist on saying it.”

Groundviews, thank you for revealing your true stand on ‘citizen journalism’. People, you’ve been warned!

Humanist said,

January 9, 2010 @ 6:51 am

Groundviews,

I find the discussion you are engaging with SomewhatDisgusted petty and unworthy of an award-winning citizen journalism site. It is unprofessional to challenge a commentator’s credentials as a “citizen” and refer to him/her as “you and others of your ilk”, when you are a facilitator of a site on citizen journalism.

SomewhatDisgusted is one of the sanest voices on this site and cares enough to engage in many discussion threads, so it is unfair to characterize him as a “curious, solipsistic creature, who has nothing to say”. I certainly visit this site to hear voices like his. In my view, so far he has the stronger arguments in this debate.

We all agree on the principle that public funding, no matter how much, should not be spent on political campaigns. Whether on-line advertising is cheaper than other forms of advertising however, is a relevant question because one is in a better position to determine how funds for it might have been mobilized. As responsible citizen journalists you cannot allege that funds for the on-line campaign have come from the misuse of public finances, without evidence to prove this. Politicians the world over do enage in advertisng campaigns and some of their funds come from contributions by business supporters and wellwishers. If the amount is “miniscule” it is easy enough for such supporters to pay for it. I think your time would be better spent by giving us concrete examples of the misuse of power and funds by the incumbent and his family for which there is plenty of evidence, as well as other candidates in this race.

As a citizen commentator, I urge you to take your facilitator role seriously and display more professionalism. You are the only site we have to engage in these kind of debates and I certainly do appreciate your commitment and dedication to maintaining and improving this site. To err is human, to forgive divine!

Cheers!

Groundviews said,

January 9, 2010 @ 7:05 am

The commentator’s credentials as a citizen are questioned because he / she does not feel the need to hold a regime, so steeped in corruption, accountable for their actions during the election campaign. The commentator’s credentials as a journalist are, by his / her own admission, not applicable. As we have noted, this is a citizen journalism site, set up to debate ideas from the mutually strengthening perspectives of citizenship or investigative, independent journalism . If you are by self-admission or through a lack of interest and commitment, neither, you are not welcome. As we have noted over three years, there are plenty of other websites for rants of a partisan, petty, mindless or vituperative nature.

We encourage you read Transparency International’s report, referenced repeatedly on Groundviews and in other traditional media in Sri Lanka, before any more attempts to suggest the election campaign of the incumbent is being paid for by private coffers. We did not say the amount was miniscule. We said that it COULD be in comparison to what has been noted as campaign spending in terrestrial TV broadcasts by the incumbents.

You say “As responsible citizen journalists you cannot allege that funds for the on-line campaign have come from the misuse of public finances, without evidence to prove this.” We say that as a responsible citizen journalists site we will point to where funding is suspect, and that as public officials who are accountable to us, those in power can and must respond with clarifications.

That they do not, or will not, to us, suggests there is much to hide.

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 9, 2010 @ 7:55 am

“why don’t you contact the campaign? “

This must be yet another one of those new journalistic standards Groundviews is setting. So the writer of an article strafes the target of his/her ire in the hope of scoring a hit and the onus is on the reader to find supporting evidence? (Which others have already done partly for you btw)

“Point 2 you now make is bizarre – the article does not make any mention that there should not be campaigning, and that such campaigning must exclude advertising.”

Clearly, a comprehension problem. The accusation was that the use of international media sites at high cost was excessive, which has already been debunked as being targted towards Sri Lankans at relatively low cost. The point therefore was that ads appearing on “international media sites” as opposed to local TV is a non-issue, other than to a luddite horified at the use of the “intertubes”.

“Point 3, and one you and others of your ilk keep making, is about the purportedly “low cost” of this web based ad campaign. How do you know? Let us in on the secret please. Did Google tell you?”

Yes. Didn’t Observer already publish the rates? https://adwords.google.com/select/AfpoFinder?currency=USD&country=LK
People of your ilk need to do your research first, before hoping to score points for your favourite party or to rub your favourite villain’s face in the mud. Further, you’ll be heading towards greener pastures criticizing “Tharunyata Hetak”, a campaign which is clearly over the top.

“Finally, we believe in the principle that the misappropriation of public funds bears zero tolerance – whether it is 80 million or a single cent.”

Certainly, there is no disagreement on that issue, and I would appreciate further efforts to bring it to light, provided it is done accurately. The issue at hand is the sensationalistic claim of massive cost for advertising on no less than “international media sites”, on which you have since embarked on the misguided exercise of compiling a list. By implication, the more impressively “international” the names on that list, the more shockingly wasteful and excessive the cost. But this is precisely what has been debunked, to which you have since grudgingly carried a clarification, on request (to your credit) while simultaneously throwing a red-herring and an ad-hominmem attack in my direction (not so much to your credit).

Perhaps, there would have been less protest had one succeed in assuaging the boundless ego that seems to have been accidentally trodden upon, but given that there seems to be no visible end to it on the horizon, I don’t have much hope of circumnavigating it in a human life-span. Plus, there are more interesting things to do, like watching paint dry.

I should mention once again, for it may help you to understand that my intent was never to whitewash this regime, but to demand accurate information, given the inability to separate fact from fiction, thanks to the unbridled propaganda onslaught from “interested parties”. I’m well aware that MR is no saint, nor that his campaign is clean, but given that the decision is between Scylla and Charybdis, it would behoove one to form an accurate picture.

“…who engage in polemics only because you have nothing to say, but insist on saying it.”

Sort of like this article perhaps?

Humanist said,

January 9, 2010 @ 8:13 am

Groundviews,

I have no disagreement with the points you have made in paragraphs 2,3 and 4.

However, I do disagree that you relegate SomewhatDigusted’s discussion to the category of “rants of partisan, petty, mindless or vituperative nature”. In my view, all s/he is saying is that there are more important issues to hold the regime and incumbent responsible for than this one. I think s/he is entitled to that opinion and I would hate to see her/him disappear to some other website.

It does not take much to be a little bit less adversarial and a bit more gracious.

Observer said,

January 9, 2010 @ 10:04 am

Point is this article is a moot point. It simply makes an unsubstantiated allegation backed with distorted facts and zero evidence.

Unsubstantiated allegation: “That the MR campaign is using public funds for “global media” (being the key ghastly word) Internet advertising.”

Unsubstantiated because there is no evidence linking the advertising cost to public funds which in turn sets the moot point.

The argument is backed with a misguided notion that, just because the adds appear in global media sites that it is PROBABLY costing a fortune. Which I think is now quite debunk. In turn which sets a second moot point if the first wasn’t enough.

“As we have noted over three years, there are plenty of other websites for rants of a partisan, petty, mindless or vituperative nature. As we have noted over three years, there are plenty of other websites for rants of a partisan, petty, mindless or vituperative nature.”

Problem is us citizens have a right to appeal false or misguided allegations being brought upon by any MEDIA that takes a partisan nature against our representatives – especially during an election campaign when all of us are intimate stake holders of the future of the country.

SO NO SIR! You may not tell us to bugger off for your convenience! We are acute stake holders in this matter which is political slander. Thank you!

Groundviews said,

January 9, 2010 @ 10:33 am

You really need to improve your comprehension of both English and politics. Till such time, please desist from commenting. Thank you.

Groundviews said,

January 9, 2010 @ 10:34 am

@Humanist, your advice is better directed at Somewhatdisgusted and the pedestrian accusations directed against Groundviews. We have absolutely no issue with people who have nothing to contribute to this forum other than ill-informed, pedestrian piffle disappearing to other sites. In fact, we encourage it. Thank you.

Observer said,

January 9, 2010 @ 10:35 am

@Observer, the point about the partisan and unverified nature of the allegations of outrageous corruption by the incumbents is well taken, and well put. There are however a number of concerns over the gross misuse of State property and public finances documented in the first report by Transparency International that have gone unanswered by the government and its supporters.

It is in this larger context of the misuse of public finances, and the lack of transparency over campaign funding in general, that the questions over the nature of the ads in international media are placed.

Do you know how scary the rationale of your argument is to me. You’re using a collection of allegations (non proven) to substantiate another allegation to the list. Kind of a slippery slope. As Colbert would put it, add some truthiness to it. Gosh I thought you guys were better!

By the way that TIS report was one of the only reports I have read recently that had no verified references to it (quite common practice in report writing). I’m sure some of it is true, but you need some evidence attached in an appendix of sorts, because not all of it is TRUE either. So the reader needs verifiable information to sort fact from fiction.

For instance those license plates of the buses used, why not add an appendix to the report and attach their vehicle registration certificates to it? How is the reader to verify indeed that vehicle number plates belongs to the state and it was used for the said purpose. Leaving that to the reader is poor reporting. It is really your word against someone else’s isn’t it? Provide me some log book data for god sake!

Those public servants supposedly used for various tasks. Name, rank, testimonies, etc. Where is it??? Saying 10 people were used for this and that doesn’t tickle my brain all that much.

Example:
650 people have been recruited from Matara District for the Railway Department as temporary labourers.
Does it hurt to publish 50 names of these 650?? I’d believe you more if you did.

Am I supposed to just swallow what’s written in there just because the author says I’m Transparency International SL?

You guys need to work on how to provide credible evidence… I’m trying to help you here…

Observer said,

January 9, 2010 @ 10:46 am

@ groundviews,

“You really need to improve your comprehension of both English and politics. Till such time, please desist from commenting. Thank you.”

I’m not sure if this was directed at me but, when ever you’re challenged, you eventually resort to censorship which I have personally experienced. What’s new. Honorable thing would be to admit the short comings of the allegations and either retract or apologise. But silencing the criticism would be much convenient no?

Groundviews said,

January 9, 2010 @ 10:48 am

To reiterate, and this is getting tedious, you and the plethora of other Rajapakse apologists on this forum and thread in particular are of the belief that this international ad campaign (a) runs off private donations (b) has a negligible cost. Where are YOUR sources? We are posing questions, in search of answers from elected representatives. We do not need the furnish the burden of proof given what are, for example, COPE reports tabled in Parliament that have contributed to the large measure of public perception of monumental govt. corruption. The burden of proof, thus, must come from our elected representatives to prove they have not abused our money. No one asks you to “swallow” this version, or the TISL report, as the sole truth. What we strongly encourage yet rarely see is govt. in Sri Lanka (and not just this one) is transparency and accountability. If it is in the clear, it must prove it is. Citizens have a right to demand this of govt. Thanks for the offer of help – but perhaps you can help yourself by asking govt the same questions, if only to prove us wrong?

Groundviews said,

January 9, 2010 @ 10:54 am

@Observer, don’t be silly, or if you can’t help it, not in public please. Thank you. We didn’t win over readership, forget about international awards, by being censorious of progressive ideas. What we do take off are comments that violate published guidelines, and this includes mindless blather that there are plenty of fora on the web to parade, including in the years this site has been, blogs hilariously dedicated to comments ‘censored’ from here. At last count, there were three of them, all defunct, but fun to read nevertheless and certainly open to whatever comments of yours that ostensibly don’t get published. Consider this comment thread as ended. Thank you.

Humanist said,

January 9, 2010 @ 11:07 am

Groundviews,
Your role and that of commentators on this website are somewhat different. Hence, my comments are directed to you because you are supposed to be the non-partisan facilitators of this website.

Neither SomewhatDisgusted’s or Observer’s comments here can be classified as “partisan piffle” – both are trying to come to terms with the fact that in the upcoming election the only apparent choice for the electorate is “between Scylla and Charybdis” – in other words, an unscrupulous crook and a Jekyll-and-Hyde despot. We all seem to agree that the incumbent is corrupt, nepotistic and incompetent. Hence, I tend to agree that it is better to focus on his bigger abuses, than the lesser ones. However, it is fine to disagree on that without throwing insults at one another. Nobody has so far produced any evidence that the contender would also not be corrupt, nepotistic and incompetent. In fact, there is sufficient evidence of his nefarious activities in the past – one journalist aptly termed him as “rae Daniel, daval Miguel”.

Your arrogance is both sad and pointless. If your approach is to drive people away from your website rather than make it a conducive space for debate to take place, so be it. I, for one, am seriously disappointed.

Groundviews said,

January 9, 2010 @ 11:20 am

@Humanist, our approach both drives people away and brings people in. It goes with the terrain of doing and saying what we do. Nearly four years moderating over well over one million words in over ten thousand comments, we can assure you that those “driven away” as you put it, have not been missed. Be disappointed, certainly, but more about those here, and in Sri Lanka, who don’t ask the same questions we do, not because we are biased against the incumbents, but because this is what citizenship demands, what we stand for.

Observer said,

January 9, 2010 @ 12:02 pm

Of course, your approach drives away people who don’t necessarily agree with you and invites those on the other side. Think of what that creates. I’m not sure that’s what a blog that encourages debate should practice. Long as it’s the king and their happy followers right?

I am happy to not comment here the day you remove the word citizen from this blog’s tag line! That inclusion of me makes me very uncomfortable. Especially when you claims to voice my opinion and not let me voice my concerns. Make it CPA views or what ever and I promise not to come here.

Thank you.

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 9, 2010 @ 2:22 pm

Dear Humanist, Observer and Lanka Encounters the Third Kind,

Thank you for intervening and not allowing the editor to bully his way out of this dishonest representation of facts. He may have decreed by fiat that we “consider this comment thread as ended” but it’s unlikely that such a move will somehow invalidate the facts.

Dear Groundviews,

“Nearly four years moderating over well over one million words in over ten thousand comments,…”

And I have in the past commended you for your efforts (http://www.groundviews.org/2009/12/20/groundviews-wins-prestigious-manthan-south-asia-award/#comment-12148). You may however, impress others even further should you desist from throwing childish temper tantrums at the first challenge to your own “ground views” and form a rational response to what were essentially benign suggestions from others.

“… who don’t ask the same questions we do, not because we are biased against the incumbents, but because this is what citizenship demands, what we stand for.”

And as has been repeated ad nauseum, no one is questioning your right to do so, and therefore, this disingenuous display of confusion over the real issue is getting just as tedious. I would draw your attention to the fact that characterizing everyone who disagrees with you as “Rajapakse apologists” is entirely reminiscent of the “churlish Gotabaya Rajapakse” whose stance of “if you are not with us, you are against us”, was the very kind of binary logic you proceeded to lambast just yesterday (http://www.groundviews.org/2010/01/08/one-year-later-a-murder-unresolved-a-government-unashamed/).

In any case, I don’t intend to argue with you any further and you may take the suggestions made by several commentators on board (or not), as you please.

cheers!

Groundviews said,

January 9, 2010 @ 3:50 pm

@SomewhatDisgusted, the accusations now of being disingenuous, dishonest et al must surely stem from the fact that questions repeatedly posed by us here and again here are unanswerable, and therefore worth any spin to divert attention away from.

Groundviews said,

January 9, 2010 @ 4:04 pm

@Observer, we admit that our content and policies tend drive away those who are poseur citizens. Like those who don’t want to even ask, leave aside answer, the questions posed in our article and in subsequent comments, because they are inconvenient and incompatible with what is essentially a loyalty to a corrupt regime.

But to shift the debate away from a reductionist thrust and parry of our comments, why not engage with the incisive observations and interesting ideas in <em>Online election campaigns in Sri Lanka: The way forward?

Observer said,

January 9, 2010 @ 10:20 pm

The burden of proof, thus, must come from our elected representatives to prove they have not abused our money.

There is a universal acceptance in all sane legal systems that even serial killers are assumed innocent until proven guilty with good reason – to stop sending innocent to the gallows. But you seem to think the inverse applies to corruption charges.

we believe in the principle that the misappropriation of public funds bears zero tolerance – whether it is 80 million or a single cent.

The only practical way to prove non-irregularities with public funds is the budget statement and income tax records. Which I believe is accessible to the public.

Given the charge sheet by the TISL some of the allegations are virtually impossible to prove innocent of.

Example 1:
Say X amount of gov staff were asked to perform the Y task. The only possible way to disprove this is to ask all the X staff to issue statements saying they did not do the Y task. Do you agree? Even then I’m sure you won’t be satisfied. So how in the world is the government to disprove this?

Example 2:
Say Z amount of buses were used for transporting supporters of gov to a political rally. Unless these buses had GPS tracking devices that logged all of its travels then it’s impossible to prove it was not used for the alleged purpose.

If you don’t get this here is a different sort of an example. I accuse you of frequenting brothels. And the onus is on you to disprove me. How would you go about it?
A. Visit all the known brothels and get statements from the pimps stating you did not visit the brothels ever.
B. You provide alibis for your entire life.

Do you see why your expectations are so silly, ridiculous and ludicrous? Therefore no one can ever expect anyone to prove their innocence unless it’s very straightforward. Even then it shouldn’t be a must! There are even laws that prohibit giving evidence against one self. The onus is on the accuser to provide irrefutable evidence!

It is stated in the TISL report that:

“By 30th December 2009, the Programme for the Protection of Public Resources of TISL has received more than eighty (80) complaints from the public and its investigators about various abuses of public property and election laws/guidelines by the candidates.
Thus far relevant verified instances are mentioned below:”

So why not provide information on who made the complaints and how you verified it? Don’t you think that would be a core part of the report? Why not make available all of those 80 case files if you truly want action to be taken?

“@Observer, we admit that our content and policies tend drive away those who are poseur citizens. Like those who don’t want to even ask, leave aside answer, the questions posed in our article and in subsequent comments, because they are inconvenient and incompatible with what is essentially a loyalty to a corrupt regime.”

What I said before groundviews, is the inconvenient truth! If I had a loyalty to a corrupt regime I wouldn’t be asking for what I have. I’d stay silent. Sure I’ll probably vote for MR. That’s because no one has made a credible case for not voting for him. He did deliver his promise. War finished. Thank you!

Groundviews said,

January 10, 2010 @ 12:59 am

“There is a universal acceptance in all sane legal systems that even serial killers are assumed innocent until proven guilty with good reason – to stop sending innocent to the gallows. But you seem to think the inverse applies to corruption charges.”

Clearly you’ve not heard of Right to Information legislation, which goes to address your laborious and convoluted second point. Is it too much to ask for a degree of learning from commentators? Mahinda Rajapakse’s fan club clearly celebrates unbridled self-delusion, much like the man himself.

Observer said,

January 10, 2010 @ 9:02 am

It’s sad that Sri Lanka does not have right to information legislation. I accept that. You can’t blame one party for that. Even then some of the accusations are not possible to prove innocent of. That’s my point! Hence my reasons for saying it’s not reasonable to expect the government to prove it’s innocence against all the mud that’s being thrown at it. Mud that’s unsurprisingly snow balling close to a presidential election. There should be a greater responsibility by those who make the accusations to provide credible evidence. Copies of damning documents would be a good start.. or testimonies by those who assisted wrong doing.

If I was in the MR fan club due to blind faith I won’t be requesting for 80 case files of corruption charges to be released to the public? Do you agree? I want all the dirt out in the open as opposed to kata katha that’s becoming comical now. So the confused public like my self can make up our minds. Sure they rob, but how much? That’s my big question. But I will not go with the wind and accept charges in the air.

Observer said,

January 10, 2010 @ 10:10 am

“Mahinda Rajapakse’s fan club clearly celebrates unbridled self-delusion, much like the man himself.”

groundviews, it is very, very easy to shatter my fragile self-delusion!

give me (whole of Sri Lanka) 1, just ONE document proving massive corruption. i’m talking order of millions here since the claim is boundless, massive corruption by the administration. i accept there are irregularities, not to the scale you claim though.

Groundviews said,

January 10, 2010 @ 10:33 am

Seriously, are you being disingenuous or are you actually so ill-educated? The three COPE reports, even with your suspect English comprehension and intelligence, will make for interesting reading. Groundviews has also published an article based on it – The Rajapakse regime: Rewarding the corrupt and sheltering the criminal? The scale of corruption is not what WE alone claim, it is what has been tabled in Parliament. And this is not even counting the reports in traditional media, including most recently this article by Rajpal Abeynayake (Negative Attributes of Mahinda Rajapaksa: Candid assessment of Presidential Candidates – 1), who is by no stretch of imagination a supporter of the opposition, a fan of Groundviews or partial to NGOs.

Heshan said,

January 10, 2010 @ 12:30 pm

“So the confused public like my self can make up our minds. Sure they rob, but how much?”

Did you know that the American President is forced to publicly declare his assets? I know that every time corruption is mentioned, your counter-argument will be something along the lines of “well, its much worse in the West… look what happened in 1812 and 1945…”… anyway, applying some of your logic, if the evil American President can declare his assets, why can’t your much vaunted man in SL do the same? How hard is it to clear one’s name? You say I stole a toffee…I claim I didn’t… the logical thing for me to do is empty the contents of my pocket. Only *one* of us is correct. Its the same way with public accountability. Reveal your assets, then no one can accuse you.

P.S: If you are interested, the above mentioned assets of the US President can be found using Google. The audit, of course, is correct because its done by the IRS, not the President’s friends.

SomewhatDisgusted said,

January 10, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

Dear Groundviews,

Had a degree of humility and acknowledgment of valid points by others been exercised over this ceaseless display of arrogant puffery, I would not feel compelled to reply to your latest specious answer to Observer.

Never mind the fact that you avoided answering his pointed questions on how you would expect proof to be furnished for certain accusations, never mind the fact that the said “Right to Information” legislation has sadly not even been passed in Sri Lanka, let us for a moment, accept this idealized state of affairs you so ignorantly describe (with the remarkable irony of expecting learning from others) – I will pose the question you evaded earlier once again – did you contact the compaign and at least give them a chance to respond before concluding their guilt? These are basic journalistic ethics, and surely something that ought to be exercised by those commenting with snooty-nosed disdain on the “partisan piffle” of others, if for nothing but to prove one’s own impartiality.

Or are you under the impression that the accused body must, based on non-existent legislature, scour all the trumpery emanations from every other “citizen journalist” on the Internet and proactively furnish non-requested information?

As for the two “unanswerable” questions you raised, their absurdity is only eclipsed by their disingenuity. I’ve already answered the question “Why don’t you ask the campaign?” I just might, but that’s irrelevant. Since when is the onus on the reader to furnish the proof, even though what we’ve done so far is just that? As I mentioned earlier, even in the absence of legislature, I would consider it ethical to assume their guilt upon failure to furnish information, not otherwise. Whether the cost is neligible or not has already been at least partially answered, but the full answer requires inquiry from the campaign. Whether it runs off private donations or not I have no clue. As I’ve repeatedly acknowledged, it’s highly possible they come from ripping off public money, but again, with no inquiry from the campaign, were you expecting to divine an answer, or just join the bandwagon and sling mud?

And just what is it with the pointed refusal to properly acknowledge the findings as they stand now, in which case this entirely unpleasant confrontation could have been avoided? Not being a “poseur citizen” yourself, surely, it should not be difficult?

Last but not least, I don’t think you should persist in this Gotabaya Rajapakse style dichotomy of “MR Fan Club vs the world”, lest your own “churlishness” and binary mindset be irrevocably cemented in the perceptions of others. I believe my reply here, amongst others, (http://www.groundviews.org/2010/01/01/unsolicited-sms-messages-are-spam-please-desist-mr-president/#comment-12560) gives the lie to that style of misdirection.

Thank you!

I remain,

somewhat disgusted.

Observer said,

January 10, 2010 @ 2:09 pm

Heshan, I’m not concerned about the US president’s assets. I’m more concerned of their destructive ways. Anyway, it is a requirement that all presidential candidates in SL declare their assets during nomination and they have all done so. I have seen some of the statements in local news papers. However, there are loop holes in the law. For instance it does not require them to show off shore assets. So they have room to hide things which is a shame.

Observer said,

January 10, 2010 @ 2:24 pm

Seriously, are you being disingenuous or are you actually so ill-educated?

Probably the latter. If I don’t buy into suspect accusations then so be it!

The three COPE reports, even with your suspect English comprehension and intelligence, will make for interesting reading.

suspect English comprehension? English is a second language for me. So I’ll let you have that one.

suspect intelligence? again, what ever that means, if my logic has been formed in a way to require hard facts & evidence as opposed to speculation and accusation then so be it!

Finally if it takes personal insults to win your way, then SO BE IT!

Observer said,

January 10, 2010 @ 2:33 pm

Heshan,

You say I stole a toffee…I claim I didn’t… the logical thing for me to do is empty the contents of my pocket. Only *one* of us is correct.

Bad example buddy, a person with a sweet tooth would eat it straight away. Then what? Your logic has big cheese holes. In a mathematical domain strict logic holds. Not in the real world. Unless you can account for all possible states that can arise from the situation. Which in most real world cases, approaches infinity. Hence why it is ludicrous to expect anyone to prove their innocence in most cases. If you have ever taken discrete maths, you’d understand why it is easier to disprove a hypothesis as opposed to prove it.

Dhiraj said,

January 10, 2010 @ 4:59 pm

“The three COPE reports, even with your suspect English comprehension and intelligence”

I don’t think comments like these are in line with the groundviews guidelines – they personal attacks on others.

Groundviews said,

January 10, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

@Dhiraj, you too must read more before you judge. Thank you.

Justitia said,

January 13, 2010 @ 11:41 am

Who paid for the hoarding near the Odel roundabout? ICTA?

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