“Corruption need not be a fatal cancer. It can be curbed if there is intent to curb it at the highest levels. HK’s ICAC is a good example of what can be done to curb corruption.

“When ICAC was set up in 1974, very few people in Hong Kong believed that it would be successful. They called that “Mission Impossible”. Within three years, the ICAC smashed all corruption syndicates in the Government and prosecuted 247 government officials, including 143 police officers. In its thirty years of
history the ICAC has achieved the following success:

Read the report at http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:DPZGsP6OkvEJ:www.unafei.or.jp/english/pdf/PDF_rms/no69/16_P196-201.pdf+ICAC+hong+kong+corruption&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESizPSWYqyKTTJ_6FETEuOAMrMwwdKEwWpNAuTXQnVcMbjGkXhwWMKF-UCY3XfBO6bjavxouFyD8HPVkQLMn8LjCxzugR9VOiN7GKkshIWxjPk348i8rSTVaB4_eUOII1Rl1PS1B&sig=AHIEtbQlHNgIk4yFPSevKd7wa_3IRXW5hA

http://www.icac.org.hk/en/home/index.html

And went on to say ..

“The networks still exist in HK, but by and large there is a level playing field. If you can do the job, you can get it And there are checks and balances like the Equal Opportunities Commission, a hotline to complain about police etc. HK’s police force was very corrupt pre 1974, but today is probably Asia’s finest.
Of course, HK is small. There are other examples:

http://www.icac.org.hk/newsl/issue37eng/frame.htm ”

I beleive that what we need is the desire, pure intention, strong state level and civil society leadership and strong sustained action. We also must create our own ways to involve our society in the task where find raising (where needed) is done locally coupled with awareness creation. Why not use forums such as this, SMS, Telethons and all other media on a “Corruption Free Sri Lanka” Campaign.

perhaps we are too much of a literate and educated country to think straight …

I am sorry – but good try Groundviews –
tomorrow is another day
NEVER GIVE UP

I left an idea entry at the Gmoderator page (it is a challenge to limit the words, however). Here it is if anyone wants to discuss it:

“1) Maintain & build on the current improved security situation so that groups are not able to start wars, 2) End all extra-judicial killings, abductions, etc., 3) Reject race theory – race is an old, evil & useless idea, 4) End corruption everywhere”

Of course a lot more ideas can be added – but I think most people already know what’s needed in Sri Lanka – end to poverty & lawlessness/corruption of all kinds. Neither will be achieved very fast w/ out most of the Sri Lankans rejecting race theory – the belief that speaking a certain language or having a certain religion makes you an entirely different kind of a person.

I definitely see immense/a large number of positive changes happening in Sri Lanka in the near future. The end of the LTTE vs. GOSL war being the first of these new wave of changes.

Luckily we are talking about a small space & a relatively small number of people (as country & population sizes go), & a vast majority who are (probably, from what I hear) tired of being poor & living w/ instability of many kinds & are thus motivated to work to make things better.

I think a broader topic – along the same lines – to discuss & act on is how to improve the quality of life in SL even if the government & other institutions are slow to change. Because a well functioning democracy does not always equal good laws, an end to racism, or individuals being able to work/have jobs, build wealth, etc. So, maybe people should think about how the financial situation in Sri Lanka can be improved, regardless of the type of government there & how well it functions.

I understand that an efficient government without a lot of corruption & one that is not theocratic or is not a dictatorship will go a long way towards getting a country out of poverty. But, things being what they are or what they may be for a while, what can interested people do to alleviate poverty & joblessness (also related stuff such as homelessness & hunger) in SL? This is also important because even if there is a good government & law & order in place, if the country continues to be poor (or if a lot of people in the country continue to be poor) – instability – in the form of attempted armed revolutions, etc. will probably come back.

- S

go beyond your own mind – if lack of discipline is the problem – i have a pretty good idea it is – you are not going to make any headway in those big places like the President’s Office/Parliament/Police HQ/etc etc

I still see some desperate hope that this will be possible – keep trying – I wish you all good luck

my suggestion is to get to the places where a new discipline can be fostered – where alternative learning can take place – there are many sites for this – not only religious – but any value based enterprise is your site –

generate positives – starting from within – and this will grow in time – pretending that we are a democracy (we are a dictatorship) will take us nowhere – lets get out of this land of make believe and grapple with hard facts and with human beings DIRECTLY – without the lenses we borrowed from the west –

WE HAVE TO BE HONEST – AND START SMALL – WE ARE TOO FAR DOWN TO INDULGE IN THESE FRIVOLOUS CONCEPTUAL DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE NO MEANING IN THE REAL WORLD

We need to find ways of making the people who inhabit the Presidential Secretariat take this issue seriously after all it is the peoples views on democracy.
A good debate and exchange of ideas among civil society is simply not enough if the Government is not willing to listen.

Let’s take the US as an example, cetainly the most charismatic of democracies today. But when did it actually become a democracy?

Some would say 1776, with the declaration of independence, or 1787 when the current constitution was adopted. But slavery existed in a major portion of the country for almost a century thereafter. That would surely not be considered democratic today.

Then how about 1862, with the emancipation proclamation? But that still left out women, who didn’t have the vote. Would any country be considered a democracy today if it didn’t have universal franchise?

So then we get to 1920, when women were finally allowed to participate in federal elections. But millions of African-Americans, particularly in the South, remained disenfranchised and languished in apartheid-style conditions due to discriminatory laws.

Perhaps then the US became a democracy in the 1960s, following the sweeping changes brought about by the Civil Rights Movement. But some would stll argue against it.

The 2000 election caused many Americans themselves to question their country’s democratic credentials – after all, the Supreme Court installed as president the candidate who polled half a million votes LESS than his opponent. Other Americans fret that the extraordinary power of special interest lobbies (religious groups, corporations, labour unions, etc) make a mockery of democracy. Certain Europeans might not consider any country with the death penalty to be truly democratic.

Today, Westerners (and a great many Easterners) view democracy as a broad amalgam of many things: voting rights, civil liberties, personal freedoms, secular government, rule of law, minority protections, social safety nets, strong civic institutions. As a result, they’d be reluctant to view places such as Singapore, Malaysia, Sri Lanka or even India as democracies, in spite of their regular competitive elections, universal franchise, and parliamentary structures.

But once upon a time in the West, a nation which essentially allowed only white males to vote was considered a revolutionary experiment in democracy.

First military court (67th March): Judges not qualified to hear -Lawyers raise preliminary objections http://www.lankaenews.com/English/news.php?id=9256
Accordingly the General’s lawyers stated , the President of the Court , Major General H L Weeratunge is the brother in law of the Army Commander , his conducting the trial therefore will not be unbiased , and justice will not prevail.

Second military court (17th March) against General indefinitely put off.
The military tribunal against Gen. Sarath Fonseka that met today decided to put off the sessions indefinitely. The same Army officers who participated as judges participated as judges today as well. When counsels representing Gen. Fonseka raised objections the judges suddenly decided to put off the hearing stating they would have to consider whether the tribunal could be continued.

http://www.lankatruth.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4980:second-military-court-against-general-indefinitely-put-off&catid=34:lead-news&Itemid=50

Sri Lanka democracy under attack!!!!

“At the end of six months, depending on quality and number of ideas generated, the top fifty submissions sent in and voted by you will be presented to government and civil society.”

Yours is an interesting idea.

However, I like to know how you plan to present your ideas to Government? To whom?
Secondly it is unlikely that the Governement is looking for ideas from the public/civil society to help improve democratic governance. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the government is not keen on improving democracy in any meaningful way. Destroying what is left of democracy is more like it.

The best and simple definition of democracy is attributed to Pericles of Athens by Karl Popper in the first Chapter of his book, “Enemies of the State – Vol I, Plato.” He quotes Pericles’s, “Only a few can create, but everyone can judge it.” (I am not sure of the exact words.) If we in the 21st Century accept what was said by Pericles in about 430 BCE, we need to discus the procedure by which “Everyone” can be given, directly or indirectly, the opportunity to make judgment on all matters created by one or a few that affect “Everyone.”

John Locke, in his “The Second Treatise on Government.” argued for periodic renewal of Parliament based on the reasoning that the sons should not be burdened with their fathers’ choice. Thomas Jefferson included Locke’s concept of the renewal and many of Locke’s political ideas in the US constitution.

I think most people will agree with Pericles and Locke the concept of democracy both expressed. The difference of opinions will be as to who the “Everyone” is and on the basis of the election and referenda processes of the “Everyone” for their judgment on critical issues that affect them.

Should the “Everyone” be defined as ethnic groups, linguistic groups without territorial limitation or ethnic/linguistic groups within defined territories? Should a people large in number in a defined territory or defined ethnic/linguistic group be given the right to override other ethnic/linguistic groups?